We Really Don’t Have Free Will?: A Conversation with Robert M. Sapolsky (Episode #360)
SUMMARY:
Sam Harris discusses the implications of a life without free will with Robert Sapolsky, author and professor, following the death of Danny Kahneman.
IDEAS:
- Free will is often defended based on personal intuition, despite scientific evidence.
- Complexity and emergence in science do not necessarily imply free will.
- Downward causation is a flawed concept for defending free will.
- People’s desire for accountability may cloud their judgment on free will.
- The psychological need to feel in control can lead to resistance against free will denial.
- Intuition about free will persists despite understanding deterministic biology.
- Epigenetics influences gene regulation but doesn’t grant free will.
- Predictability in behavior does not equate to the existence of free will.
- Randomness in systems doesn’t create space for free will, only unpredictability.
- Understanding the absence of free will can be destabilizing for some individuals.
- The concept of libertarian free will is widely felt but philosophically indefensible.
- Compatibilism often shifts the conversation away from true free will.
- Ethical and legal implications arise from beliefs about free will.
- The brain’s complexity produces emergent properties without altering its parts.
- The illusion of free will is deeply ingrained in human consciousness.
- Downward causation from emergent properties to neurons is a misconception.
- The brain’s response to abstract concepts is still grounded in physical processes.
- Voluntary and involuntary behaviors remain distinct without free will.
- Civilization and morality have neural correlates that are not magical.
- The predictability of complex systems does not negate determinism.
INSIGHTS:
- Intuition about free will persists despite clear scientific counterarguments.
- Emergent properties in complex systems don’t change constituent parts’ nature.
- Downward causation misconceptions stem from misunderstanding emergent complexity.
- Epigenetics provides mechanisms for traits without granting free agency.
- Unpredictability in behavior doesn’t imply the existence of free will.
- The feeling of control is psychological, not evidence of free will.
- Ethical considerations often conflate with philosophical arguments on free will.
- The brain’s response to stimuli remains deterministic despite complexity.
- Free will debates often overlook the deterministic nature of consciousness.
- Accepting determinism requires rethinking accountability and ethics.
QUOTES:
- “Life is short, even if you make it to 90, so let’s use the time wisely."
- "Show me a neuron that has just acted free of history."
- "It just feels like I’m exercising free will when I’m choosing to turn the light switch on."
- "Emergence is the pathway to free will, relying on a type of downward causality that doesn’t exist."
- "Once ants form an emergently complex society, individual ants can’t suddenly speak French."
- "The amazing thing about complexity is once that happens, those little ants are still just as simplistic."
- "People want to be held responsible for their actions if they know it’s wrong."
- "If people stop believing in free will, there’ll be murderers running around; it would be sheer chaos."
- "The notion that one could have done otherwise…is what people feel they have most of the time."
- "The psychological satisfaction of punishing bad people is a strong human motivation."
- "Understanding evil doesn’t require belief in libertarian free will."
- "Punishment and reward as tools don’t necessitate free will."
- "We didn’t even get to pick our souls."
- "Epigenetics changes how genes function in different environments, not free will."
- "The world is not predictable; the future was not set at the Big Bang.”
HABITS:
- Subscribing to podcasts for continuous learning and intellectual engagement.
- Offering scholarship programs for those who cannot afford content access.
- Reflecting on mortality to appreciate the value of time and wisdom.
- Engaging with diverse scientific perspectives to deepen understanding.
- Reading non-fiction works like “Behave” and “A Primate’s Memoir” for insight.
- Accepting scientific implications on topics like free will for personal growth.
- Discussing complex topics like emergence and epigenetics for clarity.
- Considering ethical and criminal justice implications in philosophical debates.
- Recognizing the psychological impact of discussing destabilizing topics like free will.
- Choosing alternative content when certain discussions become overwhelming.
FACTS:
- Danny Kahneman, a notable figure, passed away at age 90.
- Robert Sapolsky authored several non-fiction works including “Behave.”
- Sapolsky is a professor at Stanford University and received a MacArthur Grant.
- Free will discussions can be psychologically destabilizing for some individuals.
- Libertarian free will is a widely held but indefensible belief.
- Compatibilists like Dan Dennett argue for a socially beneficial concept of free will.
- Emergent properties arise from simple components without altering their nature.
- Epigenetics explains how genes function differently in various environments.
- Unpredictability in systems arises from complexity and randomness, not free will.
REFERENCES:
- The Making Sense podcast by Sam Harris
- SamHarris.org for podcast subscriptions
- Danny Kahneman’s work and legacy
- Robert Sapolsky’s books: “Behave” and “A Primate’s Memoir”
- Robert Sapolsky’s Stanford University profile
- MacArthur Foundation Genius Grant
- Dan Dennett’s views on compatibilism
- The concept of libertarian free will
- The New York Times as a source of impactful news
RECOMMENDATIONS:
- Subscribe to Sam Harris’ podcast for full access to insightful conversations.
- Read Robert Sapolsky’s books for a deeper understanding of human behavior.
- Consider the implications of life without free will in personal ethics.
- Explore the concept of emergent properties in complex systems for clarity.
- Reflect on personal intuitions about free will versus scientific evidence.
- Acknowledge the role of epigenetics in shaping behavior without implying freedom.
- Understand the limitations of predictability in assessing determinism versus freedom.
- Recognize the psychological challenges when confronting the illusion of free will.
- Reevaluate societal norms around meritocracy in light of determinism insights.
- Approach discussions on contentious topics like free will with openness to change.